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Review of Commercial Rotators

2020-07-05T14:17:13Z

Oz1sej: Plural 's' in title

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==Introduction==

The existing rotator controllers are old-fashioned and use obsolete technology, either in hardware or in software. Almost all the motor drivers are based on electromechanical switches like relays. This introduces limits to the usefulness in connection with satellite observations, and cause reduced accuracy in the movements of the rotator. In the following, we will be reviewing the three most popular commercially available rotator systems in the ham radio community:

*[https://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=104&encProdID=79A89CEC477AA3B819EE02831F3FD5B8 Yaesu G-5500]
*[http://www.alfaradio.ca/ SPID rotators]
**[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/ras-az--el-rotator/index.php RAS]
**[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/big-ras-az--el-rotor/index.php BIG-RAS]
*SPX rotators,
**[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-01-az--el/index.php SPX-01]
**[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-02-az--el/index.php SPX-02]
**[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-03-az--el/index.php SPX-03]

==Yaesu G-5500==

===Electronics===

[https://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=104&encProdID=79A89CEC477AA3B819EE02831F3FD5B8 Yaesu G-5500] is an AZ/EL rotator. The [http://www.radiomanual.info/schemi/ACC_rotator/Yaesu_G-5500_user.pdf datasheet] states that it has AC motors (26V@2.8A, specifications of transformer for both motors), potentiometer (not multiturn) for position feedback which are operated with +6V, and the control loop is implemented with analog IC's (comparators and op-amps). Also, the system has end-stops in both axes in both directions (min-max), that immediately cut off the current to the motors. The connection to the client is implemented via a rotator interface, for example an [https://gitlab.com/librespacefoundation/satnogs/g5500-ardushield ardushield] that runs [https://github.com/ppapadeas/k3ng_rotator_controller/tree/lsf-g5500 k3ng rotator firmware]. The cost of the entire system is ~750$ including an analog controller.

Useful links:

*[https://kb5wia.blogspot.com/2012/03/yaesu-g5500-rotator-motor-repair.html Motor Repair]

[[File:Yaesug5500-electronics-1.jpeg|thumb|center|300x300px|alt=|Yaesu G5500 - Controller]]

===Mechanical===

The gear box of the rotator it is a spur gear box. Almost all the gears are made from laser cut sheet metal, and the output gear is a stack of laser cut sheet metal gears. Another interesting thing is the brake system, which is a torsional spring in the motor axis, that blocks the movement from output to input. When a torque is applied from output to input, the torsional spring "opens" and blocks the rotation. A mechanical failure in of one brackets that mount the pins of the gears was observed in [https://network.satnogs.org/stations/6/ station 6] after a lot of observations (the oval hole). This problem is caused by the antennas being back-mounted without a counterbalance.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
File:Yaesug5500-mech-1.jpeg|Yaesu G5500, Gear box
File:Yaesug5500-mech-2.jpeg|Yaesu G5500, Mechanical failure
</gallery>

===Alternative Rotator Controllers===

A list of available digital controllers:

*[https://www.greenheronengineering.com/proddetail.php?prod=RT-21azel RT-21 Azimuth/Elevation, Green Heron Engineering LLC], 889$
*[http://www.af6sa.com/projects/AZ_EL_Rotor.html, AZ-EL USB Rotor Controller AE-21]
*[http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ETP/Satellite%20Tracker%20Interface%20ver%201_2.pdf DIY solution from ARRL]

==SPID rotators==

This company it has two AZ/EL models:

*[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/ras-az--el-rotator/index.php RAS]
*[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/big-ras-az--el-rotor/index.php BIG-RAS]

===Electronics===

Both the models are using DC motors, according to the datasheets, [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-bigras-specifications.pdf BIG-RAS] and [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras-specifications.pdf RAS]. The power consumption for both rotators is 12V@6-10A or 18V@6-11A. For the position sensor, a reed switch is used, one in each axis. This sensor is mounted in the first stage of a worm gear box (in total two worm gear boxes), with a total of 6 magnets that produce pulses with Vp-p according to the Vcc of the reed switch.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="3">
File:Ras-reedswitch.jpeg| RAS, position sensor
File:Ras-magnets.jpeg| RAS, magnets of position sensor
File:Ras-pulses.jpeg| RAS, pulses of position sensor (reed switch)
</gallery>

It seems that the encoder is relative, so when the system starts, it is programmed for the zero position. When the system loses power, the rotator controller knows the last position, it stores the last position in a non-volatile memory.
Also the system has two hard stops in the elevation axis, that limits the rotation between 0-180 deg. These switches immediately cut off the current to the elevation motor. There is no end stop in the azimuth axis.

[[File:Ras-endstop.jpeg|thumb|center|300x300px|alt=|RAS, end-stops in elevation axis]]

The default rotator controller is [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras-specifications.pdf Rot2Prog], the motor driver consists of relays. The interface with the client is done with [Hamlib](https://hamlib.github.io/) via a USB. A note here: The cable is USB-A male to USB-A male, which is weird. Two rectifier bridges are used for protection of the board from the currents of the DC motors. The cost of Rot2Prog is ~250$.

[[File:Ras-rotatorcontroller.jpeg|thumb|center|300x300px|alt=|RAS, Default rotator controller]]

The [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras-specifications.pdf datasheet of RAS] refers to a parameter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_time_between_failures MTBF] which is the mean time between failures. For the rotator controller is 15000 hours @ -5 to +40°C. For a system that is connected to the [https://network.satnogs.org/ SatNOGS network], i.e.:

*in 1h, at least 2 observations of 15min each
*in 15000 hours, 30000 observations
*which means almost 2 years of operation

But how are the relays worked?

===Mechanical===
Both of the rotators consist of two stages of worm gear boxes. The second stage (the output) take all the load. In this system, the brake mechanism is the two stage worm gear box (big gear ratio and also the lead angle of worm gear). The cost for RAS with Rot2Prog controller is ~1200$, for BIG-RAS with Rot2Prog controller is ~1600$.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
| RAS, position sensor
File:Ras-magnets.jpeg| RAS, First stage of worm gear
File:Ras-wormgear.jpg| RAS, Second (output) stage of worm gear
</gallery>

===Alternative Rotator Controllers===

A list of available digital controllers:

*[https://www.greenheronengineering.com/proddetail.php?prod=RT-21azel RT-21 Azimuth/Elevation, Green Heron Engineering LLC], 889$. This has a nice feature: "Allows different Azimuth and Elevation rotators from any manufacturer provided they both use either AC or DC motors. (Example: We can configure the Azimuth to use an OR-2800 and the Elevation to use a DC motor linear actuator. OR, the Azimuth to use a T2X, and the Elevation to use a Yaesu G-550)"
*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras_hr-specifications.pdf MD-01/02 HR], which is a high resolution edition rotator controller, with resolution of 0.1875 deg. Instead of using reed switches in the first stage of the worm gear box, it uses a hall effect sensor. Again, the motor driver consist of electromechanical switches, as shown in the picture on [http://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras_hr-specifications.pdf page 3 of the datasheet]. This controller also supports soft-start functionality (PWM control), but only when the power supply is higher than 20V, [https://community.libre.space/t/review-of-commercial-rotator-controllers/3428/7 according to this post].

The cost of this controller (only) is calculated:

*RAS/HR, RAS rotator and MD-02/HR controller is ~[1435E](http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-hr-antenna-rotators/ras-hr-az--el-rotor/index.php)
*only the RAS rotator costs ~900E (an estimation)

so the cost of MD-02/HR is ~500E.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
| RAS, position sensor
File:Az-El controller front G.gif| RT-21 Azimuth/Elevation, Green Heron Engineering LLC
File:Rotator-controller-md.png| Rotator Controller, MD-01/02 HR
</gallery>

==SPX rotators==

===Electronics & Mechanical===

A series of AZ/EL rotators:

*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-01-az--el/index.php SPX-01]
*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-02-az--el/index.php SPX-02]
*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-03-az--el/index.php SPX-03]

All of these rotators seem to be based on the same first stage worm gear box as the RAS. The second stage looks like [https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1uzY4PVXXXXX4XXXXq6xXFXXXE/NMRV050-Speed-Ratio-50-1-Worm-Gearbox-14mm-19mm-Input-Shaft-90-Degree-Worm-Gear-Speed.jpg_640x640.jpg this] and changed according to the maximum output load (and maximum break torque). From all the datasheets, it seems that the motor needs 12-18V@3-20A or 20-24V@3-20A (max current depends on load or rotator controller, e.g. PWM control). All of these rotators use the same controllers as RAS/BIG-RAS. The motors are DC (it seems that they are the same as RAS/BIG-RAS). For position sensor, a reed switch for the standard version and a hall effect sensor for high resolution version are used. From the number of cables and from the type of controller it seems that there are no end-stops connected to the rotator controller. [https://community.libre.space/t/review-of-commercial-rotator-controllers/3428/7 This post] confirms that the SPX-01 and SPX-02 have no end stop switches on either azimuth or elevation. Also the limits are set in the controller, based on the user's cabling setup.
In this system, the brake system is the double worm gear. In the specification, the rotation range is AZ/EL:360/180deg - the same as the RAS. The available rotator controllers are the same as the SPID rotators.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
File:Spx-wormgear.jpeg| SPX, second stage of worm gear
File:Spx-station232.jpg| SPX-02 rotator, [https://network.satnogs.org/stations/232/ station 232]
</gallery>

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[[Category:Rotator]]

User:Oz1sej

2020-07-05T14:13:47Z

Oz1sej: Created page with "Steen Eiler Jørgensen (M.Sc., physics) I teach spaceflight, rocketry, satellite technology, orbital mechanics, electronics and programming at Science Talenter, the Danish na..."

Steen Eiler Jørgensen (M.Sc., physics)

I teach spaceflight, rocketry, satellite technology, orbital mechanics, electronics and programming at Science Talenter, the Danish national talent programme for the natural sciences.

I have been a licensed radio amateur since 1997. My key interests are RTL-SDR, HackRF One, Raspberry Pi and Arduino.

I run SatNOGS station number 426.

Review of Commercial Rotators

2020-07-03T21:58:56Z

Oz1sej: Reworded a bit to be more readable - I hope that the original meanings are preserved!

==Introduction==

The existing rotator controllers are old-fashioned and use obsolete technology, either in hardware or in software. Almost all the motor drivers are based on electromechanical switches like relays. This introduces limits to the usefulness in connection with satellite observations, and cause reduced accuracy in the movements of the rotator. In the following, we will be reviewing the three most popular commercially available rotator systems in the ham radio community:

*[https://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=104&encProdID=79A89CEC477AA3B819EE02831F3FD5B8 Yaesu G-5500]
*[http://www.alfaradio.ca/ SPID rotators]
**[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/ras-az--el-rotator/index.php RAS]
**[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/big-ras-az--el-rotor/index.php BIG-RAS]
*SPX rotators,
**[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-01-az--el/index.php SPX-01]
**[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-02-az--el/index.php SPX-02]
**[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-03-az--el/index.php SPX-03]

==Yaesu G-5500==

===Electronics===

[https://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd=DisplayProducts&ProdCatID=104&encProdID=79A89CEC477AA3B819EE02831F3FD5B8 Yaesu G-5500] is an AZ/EL rotator. The [http://www.radiomanual.info/schemi/ACC_rotator/Yaesu_G-5500_user.pdf datasheet] states that it has AC motors (26V@2.8A, specifications of transformer for both motors), potentiometer (not multiturn) for position feedback which are operated with +6V, and the control loop is implemented with analog IC's (comparators and op-amps). Also, the system has end-stops in both axes in both directions (min-max), that immediately cut off the current to the motors. The connection to the client is implemented via a rotator interface, for example an [https://gitlab.com/librespacefoundation/satnogs/g5500-ardushield ardushield] that runs [https://github.com/ppapadeas/k3ng_rotator_controller/tree/lsf-g5500 k3ng rotator firmware]. The cost of the entire system is ~750$ including an analog controller.

Useful links:

*[https://kb5wia.blogspot.com/2012/03/yaesu-g5500-rotator-motor-repair.html Motor Repair]

[[File:Yaesug5500-electronics-1.jpeg|thumb|center|300x300px|alt=|Yaesu G5500 - Controller]]

===Mechanical===

The gear box of the rotator it is a spur gear box. Almost all the gears are made from laser cut sheet metal, and the output gear is a stack of laser cut sheet metal gears. Another interesting thing is the brake system, which is a torsional spring in the motor axis, that blocks the movement from output to input. When a torque is applied from output to input, the torsional spring "opens" and blocks the rotation. A mechanical failure in of one brackets that mount the pins of the gears was observed in [https://network.satnogs.org/stations/6/ station 6] after a lot of observations (the oval hole). This problem is caused by the antennas being back-mounted without a counterbalance.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
File:Yaesug5500-mech-1.jpeg|Yaesu G5500, Gear box
File:Yaesug5500-mech-2.jpeg|Yaesu G5500, Mechanical failure
</gallery>

===Alternative Rotator Controllers===

A list of available digital controllers:

*[https://www.greenheronengineering.com/proddetail.php?prod=RT-21azel RT-21 Azimuth/Elevation, Green Heron Engineering LLC], 889$
*[http://www.af6sa.com/projects/AZ_EL_Rotor.html, AZ-EL USB Rotor Controller AE-21]
*[http://www.arrl.org/files/file/ETP/Satellite%20Tracker%20Interface%20ver%201_2.pdf DIY solution from ARRL]

==SPID rotators==

This company it has two AZ/EL models:

*[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/ras-az--el-rotator/index.php RAS]
*[https://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-antenna--rotator/big-ras-az--el-rotor/index.php BIG-RAS]

===Electronics===

Both the models are using DC motors, according to the datasheets, [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-bigras-specifications.pdf BIG-RAS] and [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras-specifications.pdf RAS]. The power consumption for both rotators is 12V@6-10A or 18V@6-11A. For the position sensor, a reed switch is used, one in each axis. This sensor is mounted in the first stage of a worm gear box (in total two worm gear boxes), with a total of 6 magnets that produce pulses with Vp-p according to the Vcc of the reed switch.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="3">
File:Ras-reedswitch.jpeg| RAS, position sensor
File:Ras-magnets.jpeg| RAS, magnets of position sensor
File:Ras-pulses.jpeg| RAS, pulses of position sensor (reed switch)
</gallery>

It seems that the encoder is relative, so when the system starts, it is programmed for the zero position. When the system loses power, the rotator controller knows the last position, it stores the last position in a non-volatile memory.
Also the system has two hard stops in the elevation axis, that limits the rotation between 0-180 deg. These switches immediately cut off the current to the elevation motor. There is no end stop in the azimuth axis.

[[File:Ras-endstop.jpeg|thumb|center|300x300px|alt=|RAS, end-stops in elevation axis]]

The default rotator controller is [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras-specifications.pdf Rot2Prog], the motor driver consists of relays. The interface with the client is done with [Hamlib](https://hamlib.github.io/) via a USB. A note here: The cable is USB-A male to USB-A male, which is weird. Two rectifier bridges are used for protection of the board from the currents of the DC motors. The cost of Rot2Prog is ~250$.

[[File:Ras-rotatorcontroller.jpeg|thumb|center|300x300px|alt=|RAS, Default rotator controller]]

The [https://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras-specifications.pdf datasheet of RAS] refers to a parameter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_time_between_failures MTBF] which is the mean time between failures. For the rotator controller is 15000 hours @ -5 to +40°C. For a system that is connected to the [https://network.satnogs.org/ SatNOGS network], i.e.:

*in 1h, at least 2 observations of 15min each
*in 15000 hours, 30000 observations
*which means almost 2 years of operation

But how are the relays worked?

===Mechanical===
Both of the rotators consist of two stages of worm gear boxes. The second stage (the output) take all the load. In this system, the brake mechanism is the two stage worm gear box (big gear ratio and also the lead angle of worm gear). The cost for RAS with Rot2Prog controller is ~1200$, for BIG-RAS with Rot2Prog controller is ~1600$.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
| RAS, position sensor
File:Ras-magnets.jpeg| RAS, First stage of worm gear
File:Ras-wormgear.jpg| RAS, Second (output) stage of worm gear
</gallery>

===Alternative Rotator Controllers===

A list of available digital controllers:

*[https://www.greenheronengineering.com/proddetail.php?prod=RT-21azel RT-21 Azimuth/Elevation, Green Heron Engineering LLC], 889$. This has a nice feature: "Allows different Azimuth and Elevation rotators from any manufacturer provided they both use either AC or DC motors. (Example: We can configure the Azimuth to use an OR-2800 and the Elevation to use a DC motor linear actuator. OR, the Azimuth to use a T2X, and the Elevation to use a Yaesu G-550)"
*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras_hr-specifications.pdf MD-01/02 HR], which is a high resolution edition rotator controller, with resolution of 0.1875 deg. Instead of using reed switches in the first stage of the worm gear box, it uses a hall effect sensor. Again, the motor driver consist of electromechanical switches, as shown in the picture on [http://www.rfhamdesign.com/downloads/spid-ras_hr-specifications.pdf page 3 of the datasheet]. This controller also supports soft-start functionality (PWM control), but only when the power supply is higher than 20V, [https://community.libre.space/t/review-of-commercial-rotator-controllers/3428/7 according to this post].

The cost of this controller (only) is calculated:

*RAS/HR, RAS rotator and MD-02/HR controller is ~[1435E](http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spid-hr-antenna-rotators/ras-hr-az--el-rotor/index.php)
*only the RAS rotator costs ~900E (an estimation)

so the cost of MD-02/HR is ~500E.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
| RAS, position sensor
File:Az-El controller front G.gif| RT-21 Azimuth/Elevation, Green Heron Engineering LLC
File:Rotator-controller-md.png| Rotator Controller, MD-01/02 HR
</gallery>

==SPX rotators==

===Electronics & Mechanical===

A series of AZ/EL rotators:

*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-01-az--el/index.php SPX-01]
*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-02-az--el/index.php SPX-02]
*[http://www.rfhamdesign.com/products/spx-antenna-rotators/spx-03-az--el/index.php SPX-03]

All of these rotators seem to be based on the same first stage worm gear box as the RAS. The second stage looks like [https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1uzY4PVXXXXX4XXXXq6xXFXXXE/NMRV050-Speed-Ratio-50-1-Worm-Gearbox-14mm-19mm-Input-Shaft-90-Degree-Worm-Gear-Speed.jpg_640x640.jpg this] and changed according to the maximum output load (and maximum break torque). From all the datasheets, it seems that the motor needs 12-18V@3-20A or 20-24V@3-20A (max current depends on load or rotator controller, e.g. PWM control). All of these rotators use the same controllers as RAS/BIG-RAS. The motors are DC (it seems that they are the same as RAS/BIG-RAS). For position sensor, a reed switch for the standard version and a hall effect sensor for high resolution version are used. From the number of cables and from the type of controller it seems that there are no end-stops connected to the rotator controller. [https://community.libre.space/t/review-of-commercial-rotator-controllers/3428/7 This post] confirms that the SPX-01 and SPX-02 have no end stop switches on either azimuth or elevation. Also the limits are set in the controller, based on the user's cabling setup.
In this system, the brake system is the double worm gear. In the specification, the rotation range is AZ/EL:360/180deg - the same as the RAS. The available rotator controllers are the same as the SPID rotators.

<gallery widths="300" heights="300" perrow="2">
File:Spx-wormgear.jpeg| SPX, second stage of worm gear
File:Spx-station232.jpg| SPX-02 rotator, [https://network.satnogs.org/stations/232/ station 232]
</gallery>

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[[Category:Hardware]]
[[Category:Rotator]]